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Permalink Reply by annamae sturat on January 1, 2012 at 5:40pm

Debbie Myers said:

This conversation is done for me as you seem to have more confidence in the governments ability to take care of us then the people's abily to rule their own lives

You have it all wrong and have completely ignored what I said....., which I'm beginning to realize is your pattern. 

I clearly explained how BOTH the State and Federal laws need to be used in the issue of drugs. For you to gloss over what I've said just shows your extreme unwillingness to admit what I've written. When you are confronted with facts that don't jive about Paul , you just dismiss the conversation (sortuv like Paul did in that interview).  You don't answer back about his inconsistencies which have been proven, you just shut the conversation down. ?? 

- we do not remotely think alike. I am very strong on the Constitution & it's rule of law. For your info I am 60 yrs old. My sons & daughter (lost) all gave to military, as did generations before me & now my grandbabies. I worked in my families businesses until completing school, becoming a RN, then went on to specialize first in psych & then in the behavioral sciences. I have done a great deal of consulting work & have written several successful grants. But I really don't owe you any explaination & won't go any further than that.

YOu certainly sound much less literate than one would expect someone of your age to sound.  You are too young to realize how the "isolationist" attitudues (like Paul is preaching) prior to WWII left us unprepared for Pearl Harbor and a victim........and it had nothing to do with our "presence" in the country of any that attacked us!  That's what isolationsts would like others to forget.

None of that, however,  keeps you from being ill-informed in your understanding of the points you are trying to make, using Wiki and  with the old references and references that quote Arabs on Iran!! *sheesh!* 

.  If you want to get into a contest, I'm older than you by several, several years.  Writing grants and being a consultant has nothing to do with political understanding. I can match you on both.

  And, sadly, you are famously ill-informed about facts of chemical dependency and honest debating. As an example, you say we are through and then you ask me a question. **crazy eyes**

BTW, I have a master's degree  in social work and am a LCSW. I have worked in both the psych and medical field for 22+ years exclusively (with emphasis upon the psych), not just as a "speciality".  My friends that were nurses didn't have the nicest things to say about fellow nurses......leave it at that.

in research of issues & currernt events.

But, sadly you are completely unaware that Wiki is the worst kind of reference to use.

Answer this...if the threat to us is so enormous, why are our borders wide open?

Because no one has been guarding the hen house for decades.  What kind of proof is "open borders" about anything we've been talking about?  .

The took our Bill of Rights, dumped it in the crapper, sent are troops all over the world, nobody trusts our media, politicians are corrupted by inside trading & lobbists, powerful people are found to be comitting acts that could be considered treason - without any consequences, they are printing more money & our debt will be over 17 trillion, they are talking war - that will collapse us financially & you are claiming I am ill informed? Have a good new year.

Who is this "they"?  If you want to point fingers... Your dear guy has been in Congress for  30 years...........that would include him as part of the "they"......what has HE done about it? 

FYI, Paul isn't the only candidate that's concerned about these issues.  For you to assume that he is, is just dishonest.  Your guy has been a part of "they" for years in Congress. 

Perry hasn't!

Again illogical thinking on your part.

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Permalink Reply by John Saleeby on January 1, 2012 at 9:10pm

Paul and all of the others aside -- Perry is the most qualified candidate. Elected statewide three times in a very conservative State - the second largest in the nation.

No contest!!

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Permalink Reply by Debbie Myers on January 1, 2012 at 9:56pm

Just because YOU explain something does not mean that I agree. I will attack a candidate on their issues and history & fight for what I believe in & I have earned that right, but I will not attack an individual for their beliefs. Your grandiose ideations and arrogant personal attacks toward me, leaves little to be desired. I am closed to anything you have to say.

annamae sturat said:

Debbie Myers said:

This conversation is done for me as you seem to have more confidence in the governments ability to take care of us then the people's abily to rule their own lives

You have it all wrong and have completely ignored what I said....., which I'm beginning to realize is your pattern. 

I clearly explained how BOTH the State and Federal laws need to be used in the issue of drugs. For you to gloss over what I've said just shows your extreme unwillingness to admit what I've written. When you are confronted with facts that don't jive about Paul , you just dismiss the conversation (sortuv like Paul did in that interview).  You don't answer back about his inconsistencies which have been proven, you just shut the conversation down. ?? 

- we do not remotely think alike. I am very strong on the Constitution & it's rule of law. For your info I am 60 yrs old. My sons & daughter (lost) all gave to military, as did generations before me & now my grandbabies. I worked in my families businesses until completing school, becoming a RN, then went on to specialize first in psych & then in the behavioral sciences. I have done a great deal of consulting work & have written several successful grants. But I really don't owe you any explaination & won't go any further than that.

YOu certainly sound much less literate than one would expect someone of your age to sound.  You are too young to realize how the "isolationist" attitudues (like Paul is preaching) prior to WWII left us unprepared for Pearl Harbor and a victim........and it had nothing to do with our "presence" in the country of any that attacked us!  That's what isolationsts would like others to forget.

None of that, however,  keeps you from being ill-informed in your understanding of the points you are trying to make, using Wiki and  with the old references and references that quote Arabs on Iran!! *sheesh!* 

.  If you want to get into a contest, I'm older than you by several, several years.  Writing grants and being a consultant has nothing to do with political understanding. I can match you on both.

  And, sadly, you are famously ill-informed about facts of chemical dependency and honest debating. As an example, you say we are through and then you ask me a question. **crazy eyes**

BTW, I have a master's degree  in social work and am a LCSW. I have worked in both the psych and medical field for 22+ years exclusively (with emphasis upon the psych), not just as a "speciality".  My friends that were nurses didn't have the nicest things to say about fellow nurses......leave it at that.

in research of issues & currernt events.

But, sadly you are completely unaware that Wiki is the worst kind of reference to use.

Answer this...if the threat to us is so enormous, why are our borders wide open?

Because no one has been guarding the hen house for decades.  What kind of proof is "open borders" about anything we've been talking about?  .

The took our Bill of Rights, dumped it in the crapper, sent are troops all over the world, nobody trusts our media, politicians are corrupted by inside trading & lobbists, powerful people are found to be comitting acts that could be considered treason - without any consequences, they are printing more money & our debt will be over 17 trillion, they are talking war - that will collapse us financially & you are claiming I am ill informed? Have a good new year.

Who is this "they"?  If you want to point fingers... Your dear guy has been in Congress for  30 years...........that would include him as part of the "they"......what has HE done about it? 

FYI, Paul isn't the only candidate that's concerned about these issues.  For you to assume that he is, is just dishonest.  Your guy has been a part of "they" for years in Congress. 

Perry hasn't!

Again illogical thinking on your part.

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Permalink Reply by Donna Konnor on January 2, 2012 at 3:01am

Gov Perry has done many good things. Yes, some people pick at him on certain items but he is overall a very strong conservative and the only one in the race right now that wants to totally change Washington and can beat Obama. I think he will do well in Iowa (top three or four) and keep improving. He is in the race for the long haul. Santorum and Paul will not have legs after Iowa and it will come down to a three way battle between Perry, Romney and Gingrich. The Iowa results will knock Bachmann out of the race.

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Permalink Reply by annamae sturat on January 2, 2012 at 9:31am

Debbie, let's be honest.  You've been closed to anything said against Paul from the beginning.  I've presented facts you've ignored.  You've narrowed the issues to one (pot) when I presented facts about ALL the drugs and ignored others that I presented. 

When presented with facts, you just bow out instead of discussing the facts.  Just like now......

And when confronted with facts such as Paul's being  in Congress for 30 years, after you attack "they" need to do something (which would include Paul), you bow out. 

You were closed long before I wrote anything.
Be prepared when you present incorrect information on my candidate, I will give you facts back.  Like it or not.

So far, all I've gotten from you are opinions, not facts.
Debbie Myers said:

Just because YOU explain something does not mean that I agree. I will attack a candidate on their issues and history & fight for what I believe in & I have earned that right, but I will not attack an individual for their beliefs. Your grandiose ideations and arrogant personal attacks toward me, leaves little to be desired. I am closed to anything you have to say.

annamae sturat said:

Debbie Myers said:

This conversation is done for me as you seem to have more confidence in the governments ability to take care of us then the people's abily to rule their own lives

You have it all wrong and have completely ignored what I said....., which I'm beginning to realize is your pattern. 

I clearly explained how BOTH the State and Federal laws need to be used in the issue of drugs. For you to gloss over what I've said just shows your extreme unwillingness to admit what I've written. When you are confronted with facts that don't jive about Paul , you just dismiss the conversation (sortuv like Paul did in that interview).  You don't answer back about his inconsistencies which have been proven, you just shut the conversation down. ?? 

- we do not remotely think alike. I am very strong on the Constitution & it's rule of law. For your info I am 60 yrs old. My sons & daughter (lost) all gave to military, as did generations before me & now my grandbabies. I worked in my families businesses until completing school, becoming a RN, then went on to specialize first in psych & then in the behavioral sciences. I have done a great deal of consulting work & have written several successful grants. But I really don't owe you any explaination & won't go any further than that.

YOu certainly sound much less literate than one would expect someone of your age to sound.  You are too young to realize how the "isolationist" attitudues (like Paul is preaching) prior to WWII left us unprepared for Pearl Harbor and a victim........and it had nothing to do with our "presence" in the country of any that attacked us!  That's what isolationsts would like others to forget.

None of that, however,  keeps you from being ill-informed in your understanding of the points you are trying to make, using Wiki and  with the old references and references that quote Arabs on Iran!! *sheesh!* 

.  If you want to get into a contest, I'm older than you by several, several years.  Writing grants and being a consultant has nothing to do with political understanding. I can match you on both.

  And, sadly, you are famously ill-informed about facts of chemical dependency and honest debating. As an example, you say we are through and then you ask me a question. **crazy eyes**

BTW, I have a master's degree  in social work and am a LCSW. I have worked in both the psych and medical field for 22+ years exclusively (with emphasis upon the psych), not just as a "speciality".  My friends that were nurses didn't have the nicest things to say about fellow nurses......leave it at that.

in research of issues & currernt events.

But, sadly you are completely unaware that Wiki is the worst kind of reference to use.

Answer this...if the threat to us is so enormous, why are our borders wide open?

Because no one has been guarding the hen house for decades.  What kind of proof is "open borders" about anything we've been talking about?  .

The took our Bill of Rights, dumped it in the crapper, sent are troops all over the world, nobody trusts our media, politicians are corrupted by inside trading & lobbists, powerful people are found to be comitting acts that could be considered treason - without any consequences, they are printing more money & our debt will be over 17 trillion, they are talking war - that will collapse us financially & you are claiming I am ill informed? Have a good new year.

Who is this "they"?  If you want to point fingers... Your dear guy has been in Congress for  30 years...........that would include him as part of the "they"......what has HE done about it? 

FYI, Paul isn't the only candidate that's concerned about these issues.  For you to assume that he is, is just dishonest.  Your guy has been a part of "they" for years in Congress. 

Perry hasn't!

Again illogical thinking on your part.

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Permalink Reply by Derek Andrew Nelson on January 2, 2012 at 8:27pm

conservative?? Inoculating little girls and subsidizing illegal immigrants education is hardly conservative. Let us just let the voters decide who they want. Following the constitution is ''kooky'' now days so I agree in that aspect :/

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Permalink Reply by Derek Andrew Nelson on January 2, 2012 at 8:41pm

Balance the budget by 2020 according to Rick Perry? Cmon. All this garbage on here is making me sick. I'm not about to dive into some of this paradigmatic and sometimes self absorbed reasoning. Empiricle or not, Ron Paul is the man for the job and to balance the budget, in his first term. These are imminent problems we are facing right now in reality. Enough Politics as usual. Restore Americana Now

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Permalink Reply by Keith Piper on January 2, 2012 at 10:10pm

All of them have issues and none of them are totally conservative not even Ron Paul. He has been in congress forever and was able to get only one bill passed that he sponsored out of many. That does not inspire confidence in me that he would be able to get anything passed in Congress even if he were elected. Ron Paul is very liberal in some ways that I don't agree with such as legalizing drugs. I think you will see he drops a lot after Iowa and will be lucky if he gets third there. And for those that think he can win as a third party there is no way. He would just guarantee Obama wins if that happens. 

Derek Andrew Nelson said:

Balance the budget by 2020 according to Rick Perry? Cmon. All this garbage on here is making me sick. I'm not about to dive into some of this paradigmatic and sometimes self absorbed reasoning. Empiricle or not, Ron Paul is the man for the job and to balance the budget, in his first term. These are imminent problems we are facing right now in reality. Enough Politics as usual. Restore Americana Now

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Permalink Reply by Debbie Myers on January 2, 2012 at 11:09pm

Derek, you are a breath of fresh air :) I tried to provide facts and then was told that my facts were bogus, I tried to explain why I am not bailing on my choice and get blasted, seems to me that the Democrats are probably laughing at us as they divide the people. Rick Perry is trailing behind Paul and they are saying we have lost already. I am just about ready to bail from here as I can't get a response to any posts that are really important, like NDAA, the possible war with China or the debt limit being increased. Don't know what else to say. Yes, I have been firm on my choice & yes I do rip at the beliefs of the other nominees but the resort to the individual attacks really bugs me. makes me realize that we will soon be under global rule. Not to mention that I am now totally turned off from Perry for the very same reasons they say Paul supporters suck.
Derek Andrew Nelson said:

Balance the budget by 2020 according to Rick Perry? Cmon. All this garbage on here is making me sick. I'm not about to dive into some of this paradigmatic and sometimes self absorbed reasoning. Empiricle or not, Ron Paul is the man for the job and to balance the budget, in his first term. These are imminent problems we are facing right now in reality. Enough Politics as usual. Restore Americana Now

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Permalink Reply by Derek Andrew Nelson on January 2, 2012 at 11:21pm

Ok. Congress has the lowest approval rating of all time. So Ron Paul being able to pass bills to perpetuate the peoples dissatisfaction which is why America is upset in the first place is what you would want in a candidate?? Man, keep following the trail, you got detoured somewhere en route. The fact that he CAN'T pass bills, is hated by mainstream media, and hated by establishment Republicans is the VERY reason we need him to get elected. As President he will veto the very bills we are objecting to like NDAA and he will keep vetoing until the Congress gets their act together and finally realize they are not going to get a bill passed that is unconstitutional. Also as Ron has said, the very fact him getting elected will send the message to Congress that the people are for constitutional government which is what you and I want right??  Wow. It is amazing to me that people want real change but can't recognize it when it is offered to them.

Keith Piper said:

All of them have issues and none of them are totally conservative not even Ron Paul. He has been in congress forever and was able to get only one bill passed that he sponsored out of many. That does not inspire confidence in me that he would be able to get anything passed in Congress even if he were elected. Ron Paul is very liberal in some ways that I don't agree with such as legalizing drugs. I think you will see he drops a lot after Iowa and will be lucky if he gets third there. And for those that think he can win as a third party there is no way. He would just guarantee Obama wins if that happens. 

Derek Andrew Nelson said:

Balance the budget by 2020 according to Rick Perry? Cmon. All this garbage on here is making me sick. I'm not about to dive into some of this paradigmatic and sometimes self absorbed reasoning. Empiricle or not, Ron Paul is the man for the job and to balance the budget, in his first term. These are imminent problems we are facing right now in reality. Enough Politics as usual. Restore Americana Now

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Permalink Reply by annamae sturat on January 3, 2012 at 12:18pm

*sigh* I get so tired of answering this.  Obviously, you and Deb don't live in  border states.

Instate Tuition was enacted in Texas to avoid civil & federal lawsuits. 38% of legal citizens in Texas are Tejanos and a large chunk of these are multi-generational Texicans who have family and commerce on both sides of the border going back over 100 years . Has has been the case since the earliest days of the Republic. Most who move here to Texas settle in Texas and become legal Texans. Perry ticked off a lot of people over the Anti-Sanctuary City bill (Most of Houston) which is why the legislature and  Strauss tabled it.

Bi-National healthcare idea is another idea of Perry thinking outside the box.. Perry & other legislators promoted a feasibility study to see if Mexico could help foot the bill on healthcare for squatters in the Colonias along the border. Texas isn’t allowed to deport squatters in the colonias but Texas is under order from federal court to school them yada yada yada…The state has cut off services hoping they would migrate back to mexico and then another liberal organization shows up to sue the state for descrimination…It’s a crooked mess with a-holes on both sides of the border exploiting everything they can with the Feds doing their level best to mess it up based on the way political wind blows.

The simple truth is this…The Federal Govt. won’t deport 12 million people back to Mexico…Not in this economy.

 The Federal Govt. won’t secure the border unless a border governor does it…everybody else will Punt in an out of sight out of mind way and we will be stuck in the legal quagmire we are in now.

You can't build a fence in the middle of the Rio Grand River or at the bottom of the ravines of the Big Bend National Park, which is where the 1200 miles of Mexican border between Texas is. You can't build a fence on the lands owned by ranchers that use the river to water their cattle......errrmmmmmmm.emminent domain and such?

The best solution is boots on the ground and a serious focus on cartel activity. If there is a strong show of force both migration back south will increase & likely Mexico will start to get a handle on the trouble. The schitzo policy is a mess just like every other schitzo policy.

Texans want to clean it up without messing up the economy…So does Mexico.
building a wall in the middle of a river doesn’t make sense and damming the Rio Grande as it goes into New Mexico won’t fly either. But having troops and brass and surveillance & enforcement will.

Tell me, what would you do if you had 1.2M illegals in your state that the Feds won't deport, won't allow you to deport, but you are forced to school,  house the  illegals in prison ($600B last year),provide healthcare, and provide state handouts to? The feds refuse to help us close the border, so we've spent $400M last year  to solve a FEDERAL PROBLEM BEING FORCED ON TEXAS  AND IT'S CITIZENS  in order to put fences where feasible, put drones in the air, and boots on the ground, and have even had shootouts on the border with the cartels, which Mexico has helped us with 'cause these cartels are killing their people more than ours.  Has any of this ever gotten onto a Paulite website??  I didn't think so.

Some days the choices in life are between "chitty" and "more chitty".  Perry has chosen the "less chitty" by educating these folks to make them tax payers, not tax drainers (as have 13 other states being squished by the Feds on this issue).   Their parents have been paying taxes and it AGAINST THE FEDERAL LAW to NOT provide in-state tuition to "instate kids", hence the statement above about "avoiding avoid civil & federal lawsuits. The requirements are that they have been residing in Texas for the previous 3 years (years in which their PARENTS HAVE BEEN PAYING TAXES, or even longer!), apply for citizenship, graduated from HS and qualify for college.  this is about 1% of the total college population in Texas.........Illegals AREN'T COMING HERE FOR 1% of the student population getting in-state tuition breaks.  They are coming for the..........JOBS that are available in Texas BECAUSE of the ECONOMY!!

Perry isn’t perfect…But Texans an ornery bunch keep electing him cause he does his job for Texas. He’ll do the best he can for the nation. It won’t be perfect according to purists but he won’t do a Reagan Amnesty ( He’s for guest worker which means documentation and taxation and cleaning up the immigration courts & prosecuting the grafters)

He probably knows more about Border Issues and Mexico and The economies from FL-CA then anybody in the race including most of D.C.

Perry is a politician who can form consensus and lead which is crucial with the border as he’ll have to work with the governors of each border state.If he is effective at it he will make serious inroads into Democratic support in the Hispanic base which ill benefit the GOP decades out imho.

It is because of the Texas Economy that he can beat Obama….All Obama will have is scaring seniors, women and gays.

This election will be about the economy.

You and Deb need to get some education other than a Paul website before posting your ineffective point.

BTW, I'm from Texas and know both Paul and Perry.Paul is looked upon as a nut here in Teas.  The only reason he keeps getting re-elected is the extreme amount of pork he brings to his district (not a secret to folks in Texas, only to the rest of the U.S. and readers of Paul websites).   I'm not a novice here.  There's more than one Texan who will be glad when this  dangerous, old crook retires.  Theres' nothing "conservative" about Paul.  He's more left than Obama. 

Regarding the Gardasil subject.  Perry didn't "innoculate" any little girl FYI. Here's the complete story on that......if you are interested in the complete story.  As I told Debs, if you aren't, then don't bother.

http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/

So far, I've not gotten any Paul fan to answer any questions or even intelligently discuss along this line......only change the subject and attack on another subject.

Derek Andrew Nelson said:

conservative?? Inoculating little girls and subsidizing illegal immigrants education is hardly conservative. Let us just let the voters decide who they want. Following the constitution is ''kooky'' now days so I agree in that aspect :/

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Permalink Reply by annamae sturat on January 3, 2012 at 12:42pm

Derek Andrew Nelson said:

Ok. Congress has the lowest approval rating of all time. So Ron Paul being able to . As President he will veto the very bills we are objecting to like NDAA and Also as Ron has said, the very fact him getting ele he will keep vetoing until the Congress gets their act together and finally realize they are not going to get a bill passed that is unconstitutional.cted will send the message to Congress that the people are for constitutional government which is what you and I want right??  Wow. It is Ok. Congress has the lowest approval rating of all time.

Let's take a few of these one-by-one:

is hated by mainstream media, and hated by establishment Republicans is the VERY reason we need him to get elected.

Yeah, same as Perry. There's actually a media blackout on him, unless he makes a mistake. Polls rising?  Don't hear it.  Crowds that come to see him?  Don't hear it.

He can't even get a mention on TV, while Paul has been a regular guest on Fox and other news channels. ;)

Ok. Congress has the lowest approval rating of all time.

Poor logic.  Paul has been in Congress.........for 30 years.  Congress disapproval is a new thing.  

As President he will veto the very bills we are objecting to like NDAA and Also as Ron has said, the very fact him getting ele he will keep vetoing until the Congress gets their act together and finally realize they are not going to get a bill passed that is unconstitutional.cted will send the message to Congress that the people are for constitutional government which is what you and I want right??

Perry was said  (by the 10th Amendment expert mods) to the most in favor of the 10th Amendment of all the candidates during the ...2nd debate?  do you know what the 10the amendament is?

Kind of like Perry's wanting the cut Congress' time in half, including their and his salary as President, making "Washington as inconsequential in your life on a daily basis as I can", and balancing the budget in 8 years (which you poo-poo) ??

I agree, " Wow. It is amazing to me that people want real change but can't recognize it when it is offered to them."

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